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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2006 18:13:32 GMT -5
Sorry about all of that. I actually didn't really think in terms of what kind of altering history fact that was that Marvin was a session drummer in Motown. After reviewing some stuff, I've come to the conclusion that Marvin, like many of the other legends on the label was determined to be part of something regardless of what it was. So for now, let's just discuss his early years and his contributions to Motown that was exclaimed further with his "marvelous" singing. But you can still check out the page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Funk_BrothersMaybe we can add something about Harvey's Marvin connection and how his connection led to him making contributions for Motown also.
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Post by Kay on May 25, 2006 19:11:58 GMT -5
I never thought of him as a Funk before but when ya put it like that, I get it :cheezy:
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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2006 20:51:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I know how some of are: "you don't put Marvin Gaye and Funk Brother together" but when you think about it, Marvin had much to do with contributing to the Funk Brothers' impeccable sound as the aforementionables. Plus he was man enough after gaining control to put the guys on the credit of his "What's Going On" album and beyond. Plus Marvin had a deep friendship with some of the members, Jack Ashford, Eddie "Bongo" Brown and James Jamerson in particular. Plus did you see HOW MANY TIMES THEY MENTIONED MARVIN'S NAME IN THE "SHADOWS" DOCUMENTARY!?! It's no doubt MPG played a pivotal role in the Funk Brothers as both its session drummer and later performer alongside them.
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Post by Diamond Girl on May 25, 2006 21:03:15 GMT -5
I think they don't consider Marv a Funk because his playing drums was somewhat a stepping stone for him, much like the girl groups singing backgrounds, doing handclaps, playing tambourines and some of the male groups singing backgrounds and being backing vocalists for premiere artists. I think if everyone at Motown was acknowledged for everything they did- little, big, briefly, or for a period of time; they'd be viewed in a similar light as WE do Smokey, not the so called music critics- the fans and enthusiasts. Nearly everyone that walked through those doors wore a plethora of hats, many with aplomb; I think we simply recognize them for what they achieved most success as, or creditted with most success as. And let's face it, NONE of the legendary Funks were even acknowledged until fearly recently- they, more than any of the session musicians (which is what they all were relegated to anyway), deserve the noteriety. The 'Hardcore Four'- Chunk, Igor, Pop Zita, and Bob White. Joe Hunter is bearly acknowledged in comparison to Chunk and HE definitely was a Funk Brother by any stretch of the definition. Marv a Funk- I can see it from that vantage point, but I don't know. It could possibly lessen the light shone on his legend
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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2006 21:05:31 GMT -5
You're right about that. I haven't thought of it in that way.
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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2006 21:10:09 GMT -5
But I often wonder this: why was Berry so hesitant to have Marvin sign a contract to be a singer when he first got in. I mean did Berry think Marvin was a better drummer than singer? :whoknows: He could've alter the course of history had Marvin and Anna not step in and say "let the boy sing". I haven't even thought of that until you point that out, (((Funk))) Forget what I said. LOL Tho, we can all say Marvin was a great multi-instrumentalist.
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Post by Diamond Girl on May 25, 2006 21:27:18 GMT -5
But I often wonder this: why was Berry so hesitant to have Marvin sign a contract to be a singer when he first got in. I mean did Berry think Marvin was a better drummer than singer? He could've alter the course of history had Marvin and Anna not step in and say "let the boy sing". I haven't even thought of that until you point that out, (((Funk))) Forget what I said. LOL Tho, we can all say Marvin was a great multi-instrumentalist. Of course we can and do ((Quick)) Who knows @ Berry; Barret said that Harvey had two singers and Gordy would talk about his singer, who was killing the keys. So once, ole Harv brought his two singers around to meet up with this piano prodigy/singer. Well, turned out Harv's two singers sang and turned out to be none other than Marv and the gangly cat with horned-rimmed specs, Davis Ruffin. Barret said he wouldn't sing after those cats sang Maybe ole Ber, was a li'l envious that ole Harv actually brought Marv (and not to mention, THE frontman) into the fold; maybe Harv and Marv brought that to his attention with no hestitation.............
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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2006 21:31:15 GMT -5
LOL! Barrett knew he couldn't match up with Brotha Marv and THE Frontman (Ole David). And Berry, yeah I think he was jealous of Marvin from day one. Marvin wanted a future as not only a musician but a singer. Thankfully Harvey had already coached and molded him and Marvin just followed his own path. I'm more interested in the story of Harvey & Marvin because their story together continued until Marvin left this crazy world.
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Post by Diamond Girl on May 25, 2006 21:36:33 GMT -5
LOL! Barrett knew he couldn't match up with Brotha Marv and THE Frontman (Ole David). And Berry, yeah I think he was jealous of Marvin from day one. Marvin wanted a future as not only a musician but a singer. Thankfully Harvey had already coached and molded him and Marvin just followed his own path. I'm more interested in the story of Harvey & Marvin because their story together continued until Marvin left this crazy world. :whistle: @ Harv and Marv's story........................................... Barret was no slouch; he just wasn't the type or style of singer as Marv and Mr Ruffin
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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2006 21:37:21 GMT -5
By the way, I've changed the thread, lol. I didn't think it was necessary to have it imprinted since I had to correct myself. :lol:
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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2006 21:38:23 GMT -5
LOL! Barrett knew he couldn't match up with Brotha Marv and THE Frontman (Ole David). And Berry, yeah I think he was jealous of Marvin from day one. Marvin wanted a future as not only a musician but a singer. Thankfully Harvey had already coached and molded him and Marvin just followed his own path. I'm more interested in the story of Harvey & Marvin because their story together continued until Marvin left this crazy world. @ Harv and Marv's story........................................... Barret was no slouch; he just wasn't the type or style of singer as Marv and Mr Ruffin Tru dat. :cheezy:
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Post by Diamond Girl on May 25, 2006 21:42:20 GMT -5
By the way, I've changed the thread, lol. I didn't think it was necessary to have it imprinted since I had to correct myself. I hadn't even noticed :haha: It was cool- we expand our minds here; look at things from other angles, ya know
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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2006 21:46:34 GMT -5
Yeah I know, (((Funk))) :cheezy: I love that tho, 'cause we could've still debate about it if I wasn't so off base with it... which I was, lol.
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Post by Diamond Girl on May 25, 2006 21:55:03 GMT -5
Yeah I know, (((Funk))) I love that tho, 'cause we could've still debate about it if I wasn't so off base with it... which I was, lol. STOP THAT RIGHT NOW I see what you meant, I just look at it differently. I'd never actually thought about it like that. I was just like, Marvin was putting in serious work, getting experience and learning new techniques and skills- to later enhance his natural gift. I thought WGO's listing the musicians was a sign of respect for who they were and what they'd given him. I'm sentimental like that :sweetassugar:
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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2006 22:00:51 GMT -5
Awww, thanx for that. Ok, I get what you're saying. I won't feel sorry again for it. Thanx for understanding me.
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