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Post by Motown Honey on Apr 6, 2007 10:02:34 GMT -5
Feel me now ... I'm not trying to start any type of incident But dig me as I spin this thought ...
Gladys Horton had a voice that was very versatile ... I've listened to Gladys Horton all the way through her tenure with her group ... And she had the very pop sound for the early years and she had the soulful, sexy sound (different from Wanda) for the later years, well her later years in the group ... She could handle all of the different types of songs even when they copied the Spector sound of the Darnells ... Her voice had crossover quality and given the four years (lol Rainy) plus all of the extra training and instruction (can't forget styling) the Supremes and Diane had ... Gladys Horton had the potential to realize the Gordy vision too ...
Like I said, I'm not trying to cause a forum type incident or change history ... Just thinking is all ... Elevating my mind and ears ...
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Post by Kay on Apr 6, 2007 18:37:49 GMT -5
Feel me now ... I'm not trying to start any type of incident But dig this me as I spin this thought ... Gladys Horton had a voice that was very versatile ... I've listened to Gladys Horton all the way through her tenure with her group ... And she had the very pop sound for the early years and she had the soulful, sexy sound (different from Wanda) for the later years, well her later years in the group ... She could handle all of the different types of songs even when they copied the Spector sound of the Darnells ... Her voice had crossover quality and given the four years (lol Rainy) plus all of the extra training and instruction (can't forget styling) the Supremes and Diane had ... Gladys Horton had the potential to realize the Gordy vision too ... Like I said, I'm not trying to cause a forum type incident or change history ... Just thinking is all ... Elevating my mind and ears ... It isn't really a battle because Glady's wins without even trying lol But I think the Marvelettes were the Gordy vision up unitil they passed on Where Did Our Love Go?, Maybe if they took the song we would be saying Supremes who? because personally I can hear Gladys singing that with ease
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Post by Emerald City on Apr 9, 2007 14:33:59 GMT -5
I agree with ((Kay)), in saying that the Marvels started off on that path pretty well but regardless of passing on WDOLG? could the Marvels have captured white audiences as much as the Supremes had ...and could they have managed to sing the Rodgers & Hart type material as convincingly ...
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Post by Diamond Girl on Apr 9, 2007 18:48:37 GMT -5
I don't know exactly what Mo's saying here. On vocals, Gladys is Supreme! I'm with you in a way Hits (love the new name too!) the Supremes, well I don't know how to put that just right, but if the Marvelettes had had the same attention, training and all of that jazz, I don't know if they would have done the same, but I know we'd be looking at them differently and talking about them differently, and that may not be a positive thing
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Post by rainymourning on Apr 12, 2007 17:22:53 GMT -5
Gladys and the girls most certainly did have the potential but the only downfall was that they were not given the same opportunities. The passing of WDOLG? was in fact a crucial deciding factor, however once the Supremes took off that would have probably been the perfect time for the Marvelettes to get some extra training like ((Cherie Amour)) stated. Giving that alot was being put into the Supremes it wouldn't have cost Berry much to assign someone to spend a little more time with the Marvelettes honing their sound. To me that was the most important area because I feel they were able to handle their look on their own, right up until disbanding. Last of all regarding the standard material, of course they could have done it! Not to ruffle any feathers here but it is no secret that the Marvelettes were much more soulful than the Supremes and I think that given the chance to do standards, the Marvelettes could have easily delievered like the Temptations did on their Mellow Mood LP. Those are standards sang with convincing soul between more than one lead singer. I don't think anybody at Motown would have ever captured white audiences as much as the Supremes did but I believe given the chance the Marvelettes would have done it their way, just like the Temptations. And we would still be talking about them positively!
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Post by timmy84 on Apr 12, 2007 19:54:47 GMT -5
The Marvelettes could've been more successful if Motown paid attention to them, according to certain people from their History of Rock page, Motown was always trying to push the Supremes and they look at the Marvelettes as a joke despite all they accomplished there. I don't think you're ruffling feathers because regardless of how the others feel, I'm with you all the way, Rainy! Rather have two lead singers than just one marginally talented vocalist the "only" lead, feel me?
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Post by timmy84 on Apr 12, 2007 19:57:00 GMT -5
And yes every girl group that came by Motown were more soulful than the Supremes.
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Post by Kay on Apr 14, 2007 13:45:31 GMT -5
The Marvelettes could've been more successful if Motown paid attention to them, according to certain people from their History of Rock page, Motown was always trying to push the Supremes and they look at the Marvelettes as a joke despite all they accomplished there. I don't think you're ruffling feathers because regardless of how the others feel, I'm with you all the way, Rainy! Rather have two lead singers than just one marginally talented vocalist the "only" lead, feel me? I never knew that about Motown seeing the Marvelettes as a joke! I take my hat off to them because with no attention they were still able to chart well and make a comeback that alot of artists still can't get!
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Post by fantagurl on Apr 15, 2007 17:30:00 GMT -5
The Marvelettes could've been more successful if Motown paid attention to them, according to certain people from their History of Rock page, Motown was always trying to push the Supremes and they look at the Marvelettes as a joke despite all they accomplished there. I don't think you're ruffling feathers because regardless of how the others feel, I'm with you all the way, Rainy! Rather have two lead singers than just one marginally talented vocalist the "only" lead, feel me? I never knew that about Motown seeing the Marvelettes as a joke! I take my hat off to them because with no attention they were still able to chart well and make a comeback that alot of artists still can't get! I agree,and besides who was the first Motown girl group who gave the record label their first number one hit? The Marvelettes!!!! Need I say more?
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Post by timmy84 on Apr 15, 2007 18:39:36 GMT -5
Berry and Motown were actually upset that the Marvelettes got the number-one and the Supremes' material was hardly played. Took them a good three years and yet the Marvelettes still had success into the LATE sixties when the Supremes started foundering too, ain't that something?! You know how much the Marvelettes meant to Motown: Smokey & Berry lost their name on a gambling bet.
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Post by fantagurl on Apr 16, 2007 8:20:48 GMT -5
Berry and Motown were actually upset that the Marvelettes got the number-one and the Supremes' material was hardly played. Took them a good three years and yet the Marvelettes still had success into the LATE sixties when the Supremes started foundering too, ain't that something?! You know how much the Marvelettes meant to Motown: Smokey & Berry lost their name on a gambling bet. I heard about that bet,Berry and Smokey ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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Post by timmy84 on Apr 16, 2007 22:31:22 GMT -5
And they wanna get on some magazine and said they brought "integrity" to Motown...
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Post by rainymourning on Apr 26, 2007 18:50:53 GMT -5
Berry and Motown were actually upset that the Marvelettes got the number-one and the Supremes' material was hardly played. Took them a good three years and yet the Marvelettes still had success into the LATE sixties when the Supremes started foundering too, ain't that something?! Exactly. That said, they managed to realize Berry's vision longer than the Supremes did. Isn't that something.
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Post by Emerald City on May 22, 2007 18:01:08 GMT -5
That is a little ironic...it seems as if the Supremes kind of crashed and burned...whereas the Marvelettes didn't have a choice but to take their time and still went longer without having to bring in an entirely new member... it would have been very interesting to hear them do standards like the Temps too...like you stated ((Rainy)) there was more than one way of singing those types of songs...
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Post by timmy84 on May 25, 2007 12:02:48 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised the Supremes are revered the way they are, yes they had more success than the other girls, but their success came so QUICKLY that it went away as soon as bad things began to quarrel. They struggled when Flo left, bounced back when Diane left and then when Jean left and Berry focused his attention more on films (particularly Diane's), the Supremes folded within a few years after that with no support. The Marvelettes truly didn't have a choice but they bounced back in the late sixties, probably one of the biggest comebacks any group (basically any all female group) could ever have. It saddens me the Marvelettes don't get enough respect that the Supremes get.
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