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Post by Emerald City on Aug 15, 2004 18:01:40 GMT -5
Here is a poll of the Greatest Female R&B/Soul vocalists. You don't have to look that hard to see that Miss Ballard :girlparty: is ranked higher than the other Supremes :girlgroup: www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_rb-vocalists-fe.htmlI don't agree with some of the newbie choices but it's pretty interesting.
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Post by Motorcity on Sept 6, 2004 18:25:27 GMT -5
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Post by Motorcity on Sept 6, 2004 18:29:05 GMT -5
And of course, Florence deserves to be ranked higher, her voice was very powerful :queendiva:
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Post by Emerald City on Sept 7, 2004 20:06:25 GMT -5
This list is very interesting ((Hits)) But are my eyes deceiving me, or is one of the better known other Supremes missing LOL....Which Supreme would that be?? I think there are at least four listed :read:
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Post by Diamond Girl on Sept 8, 2004 20:22:01 GMT -5
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy, Flo Ballard And I now see Diana Ross is #53 She must be somewhere very
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Post by Emerald City on Sept 9, 2004 19:08:36 GMT -5
[/IMG][/quote] Like who cares! :LOL: But in all fairness, Florence does deserve that higer position
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Post by Diamond Girl on Sept 10, 2004 21:29:24 GMT -5
Like who cares! But in all fairness, Florence does deserve that higer position :word:
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Post by andythehat on Jun 28, 2005 6:23:27 GMT -5
personally i think that diana ross had the the more beautiful voice. the obvious classics such as 'you keep me hangin on' and must we not forget the outstanding spin 'hes my sunny boy' killer!
berry gordy had big plans for diana from the start! nobody can say she wasnt meant to be the lady at the front of this thrilling sound.
hence the title, 'diana ross and the supremes'
however flo did seem to make us all bristle with emotion when see fronted one of my personal favourites. the superb and absolutely timeless 'stoned love'
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Post by Diamond Girl on Jun 28, 2005 17:26:57 GMT -5
personally i think that diana ross had the the more beautiful voice. the obvious classics such as 'you keep me hangin on' and must we not forget the outstanding spin 'hes my sunny boy' killer! berry gordy had big plans for diana from the start! nobody can say she wasnt meant to be the lady at the front of this thrilling sound. hence the title, 'diana ross and the supremes' however flo did seem to make us all bristle with emotion when see fronted one of my personal favourites. the superb and absolutely timeless 'stoned love' Welcome to the forum, ((andythehat)) Glad to see you jumping in and sharing your views ;d Although Diane was the frontwoman for the Supremes, she did not have the most powerful, beautiful or talented voice. She didn't get her billing until Florence was alienated (eliminated, whatever) and Mary was silenced (quiet, whatever). I understand people have preferences toward her more nasal, screeching, sometimes whiney and always irritating voice; I do not. Had she not been as driven to be a star at all costs, Mr. Gordy would not have backed her. He states that he knew there were women at Motown with better vocal abilities and talent than Diane, but the fact that they (he and Diane) were "involved", is the reason she, initially and inadvertently, the Supremes got the big push. He further states that her solo career was not the success they had imagined. Wouldn't someone, supposedly with such a beautiful voice, the ridiculous overexposure and huge push of publicity, starring roles in movies have a blockbluster solo career or even a marginally successful career with more high-ranking songs I can say that she fit whatever Gordy was about and that's why she became the sole lead; not with regard to talent, class, presence or anything beyond her connection and drive. She was very driven; I just think she should have been more driven to seek even more vocal coaching, acting coaching, stage awareness and presence, etc. She became the star due to her drive, her connection with Gordy, the talents of HDH, Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson. I don't recall many number-one hits between Reflections and Someday We'll Be Together; a time without Florence Ballard and later Holland-Dozier-Holland. Florence had a beautiful voice, that given the chance could have done just as well as Diane; we don't know either way; I say yes, you or anyone one else can say no, but there is no concrete proof, well unless there are some hidden alternate takes somewhere. But upon listening to both women, anyone will be able to hear that Flo had/has the more talent of the two. The hits that people like were made by the backgrounds and harmonies, standouts and such. I'm in no way a Supremes fan of any formation, but I am sure Florence did not lead Stone Love; she left the Supremes in 1967. I believe that lead was by Jean Terrell, the most powerful and talented lead the Supremes ever had.
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Post by andythehat on Jun 30, 2005 17:36:46 GMT -5
hello and thank u jazzy soul for welcoming me to the forum. i must say that i totally agree with your views about the 'gordy/ross' connection. i think the behind the scenes attention lavished upon diana by gordy at the expense of certain other artists on the label (martha to name but one) is a big factor to diana being in the spotlight.
the fact that she had this advantage would obviously result in her being at the front. taking this into account though i still prefer her vocals with or without the advantages she may have had. though it was a terrible shame that this played a part in pushing flo to the background which led to her replacement of cindy birdsong.
after all, she was at the heart of the beginning when she was persuaded by (primes/temps manager) milton jenkins to recruit a sister group for the temps which later became the supremes. ending in motown eventually pushing the other members out of the spotlight and focussing on diana.
i did love flo's voice and who knows what may have been had she been given the attention diana got.
my relationship with the supremes dates back to my early teens when i would hear some of the more commercial hits played at full volume around the house by my mother. i had no idea of motown or who they were at the time and today they are not even close to some of my favourite acts.
but sure enough they were my introduction to berry gordys mighty empire. as time passed i became aware of other artists and soon enough i was hooked to the motown sound. it was the red hot commercial appeal, lead vocal and heavinly harmonies that got me onto the supremes as a teenager.
then i started to believe that they were a little more lightweight than some other soul stars and possibly a tool for gordy.
some years on i am fascinated by some of the rarities over here put out by artists such as edwin starr, jr walker and the allstars and of course the temptations. one inparticular!! 'i want a love i can see'
as for 'stoned love' i did not know that jean terrell had held the lead so thank you for letting me know. they do say that you learn something new every day!!
yours soulfully
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Post by Diamond Girl on Jul 5, 2005 18:43:07 GMT -5
I definitely agree with all you said; and you prefer Diane's voice- I respect that And you are so right about the Supremes being more a a light weight group, personally I think it's because of the lack of power and soul in Diane's voice, you know. Gordy knew she was no Flo, Mary Wells, Martha, Gladys H or Gladys K, Wanda, Brenda H. or Tammi, so he opted for the more pop appeal, or pop feel to their arrangements. Funny thing about me and the Supremes, I always loved Flo; never cared for Diane's voice or Mary's for that matter, even before the tell all accounts and stories were released. Flo's voice was always so strong in the harmonies, her stand outs, superb and the few leads, exceptional. She really had some pipes on her. Diane has/had more of what I call a distinct sound, I've never cared for it, although I do like two or three of the big hits. But I just never liked the weakened, strained sounding vocals of the big star, Diane. I am really cracking up over your discovery of the light-weitedness of the ladies; I agree 1000%
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Post by fantagurl on Oct 25, 2005 16:22:18 GMT -5
This list is very interesting ((Hits)) But are my eyes deceiving me, or is one of the better known other Supremes missing :nowords: :nowords: :nowords: :nowords: :nowords: You took the words right out of my mouth. I also noticed that. :lol:
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Post by fantagurl on Oct 25, 2005 16:25:09 GMT -5
Here is a poll of the Greatest Female R&B/Soul vocalists. You don't have to look that hard to see that Miss Ballard is ranked higher than the other Supremes www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_rb-vocalists-fe.htmlI don't agree with some of the newbie choices but it's pretty interesting. Blonde gurl "You Is Terrific!! :cheer:
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Post by fantagurl on Oct 25, 2005 16:26:25 GMT -5
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy, Flo Ballard And Diana Ross is #53 She must be somewhere very :anger: :lol:
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Post by timmy84 on Oct 26, 2005 16:23:16 GMT -5
If Flo had led the group, I feel the Supremes would've been a VERY different group than what they became. Like really and truly become the female version of the Temptations. A lot of questions are still going on about how talented vocally Diane was compared to Flo. But really, the Supremes weren't a group anymore until AFTER Diane left. Diane's solo career started when Flo left in 1967. If Diane, though, had been the one to leave, and Jean entered the picture with Mary and Flo, then the group would've been a funky girl group than they already were when she came to replace Diane to join Mary & Cindy. But something in me said if Motown had allowed Flo to sing lead on a hit or two or three or even ten, then, we wouldn't be hearing from critics about how underrated the Supremes are overall.
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