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Post by timmy84 on Feb 8, 2006 20:38:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I give Ray that... and the fact they played his actual music and the whole nine. It was way more enjoyable than LSTB bar none.
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Post by Diamond Girl on Feb 8, 2006 23:04:36 GMT -5
LOL, yeah, I don't trust that either. If it ain't accurate, you gals betta protest. But you know, one of these days, we will have the full scale Marvin biopic and it will be right. Of course we may see it on TV but then again, Motown better come with it either way they decide. LOL ...then again, Motown's been crappy in the movie department since "The Last Dragon" and "The Jacksons". LOL How about since Lady Sings The Blues and Mahogany!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 9, 2006 13:16:11 GMT -5
LOL, yeah, I don't trust that either. If it ain't accurate, you gals betta protest. But you know, one of these days, we will have the full scale Marvin biopic and it will be right. Of course we may see it on TV but then again, Motown better come with it either way they decide. LOL ...then again, Motown's been crappy in the movie department since "The Last Dragon" and "The Jacksons". LOL How about since Lady Sings The Blues and Mahogany!!! I didn`t like Mahogany nor The Last Dragon.
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 9, 2006 13:18:39 GMT -5
@ Kay... YEAH, ADD THEM CRAPPY MOVIES THERE TOO! "The Wiz" too. Just for putting Diane Tramp, I mean, Diane Ross in the movie. Stephanie Mills was made to play Dorothy and she's been bitter about it ever since but she got back at Diane the old fashioned way - through the music. In fact: "Lady Sings the Blues" "Mahogany" "The Wiz" "The Last Dragon" "The Jacksons: An American Dream" "The Temptations" The Motown 40 and 45 television specials Smokey Robinson's 20-something year anniversary (why was that televised?) Motown Returns to Apollo Motown Films and Productions SUCKS!!! F*ck Motown... hope the Marvin movie with the stuff it's forced to ONLY show is better than anything Suzanne de Fat, I mean, de Passe, and Berry Farts, I mean, Gordy, ever DREAMED OF!!! The Wiz was a big disgrace.Ross was to DARN OLD to play as Dorothy. :no:
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 9, 2006 13:25:39 GMT -5
Dare we even compare Ray to LSTB I would have to vote that the worst bio pic ever....at least in Ray characters weren't made up But I do hear what ya'll are saying...another thing Gordy couldn't do right May I add that Ray Charles had a lot to do with the production of the movie as well. At least we know everything came from Mr.Genius himself.
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 9, 2006 13:29:45 GMT -5
I know, right. So much for the Hollywood dream. They began and peaked with Diane getting an Oscar nod and she ain't made a decent film role since. Even "Lady..." was a f*cked-up bio because it, like "Ray" for some reason, showed one side of Billie Holiday and then try to sugarcoat it for Hollywood value. The real Billie Holiday had it harder than the way Miss Prissy portrayed her. "Role of a lifetime" my foot. I hope Jesse Martin does a decent job at our boy. If not, he's gonna get it too. I know that`s right!! I`m a fan of Billie Holiday and I`ve read plenty of stories and seen two documentaries of her life. Lady Sings the Blues didn`t even began to tell the story about Billie.
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Post by timmy84 on Feb 9, 2006 15:07:33 GMT -5
I like the way Ray handled things in the movie, I mean, it was more vividly told than Billie's was. And it's unfortunate that Motown can be a great music company but can screw up royally in the movies and they think that not letting them have Marvin's Motown music play that it will destroy the movie, just give it up guys, you guys will say you're planning a Marvin bio but it'll be another 10 years before we hear of it. The way things are going now, I'm glad these guys are finally going along with it and are making the best of what could be a bad decision. And it is, Marvin Gaye played an important contribution to Motown. I think I see why Berry is holding back. Because Marvin was the KING of the label and he MADE that label and he doesn't want that part of the story told. Sick a$$ f*cker. *SMH* F*ck it, he's out of my list of important black people. Marvin made his lazy 4'11 ass rich and since Marvin's dead, he thinks he can do whatever he wants, f*ck that crummy bastard and his money. We know you didn't form Motown Records, you show-off.
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Post by Emerald City on Feb 9, 2006 16:43:47 GMT -5
((Fantagurl)) I still can't sit through The Wiz, I would say it was actuallycompla a good movie overall but Diana's acting was the main problem. As well as being too old she just could not act....It's very painful to watch her performance. I think had everything else stayed the same with a different actress as Dorothy we wouldn't complain
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Post by Emerald City on Feb 9, 2006 17:36:40 GMT -5
I like the way Ray handled things in the movie, I mean, it was more vividly told than Billie's was. And it's unfortunate that Motown can be a great music company but can screw up royally in the movies and they think that not letting them have Marvin's Motown music play that it will destroy the movie, just give it up guys, you guys will say you're planning a Marvin bio but it'll be another 10 years before we hear of it. The way things are going now, I'm glad these guys are finally going along with it and are making the best of what could be a bad decision. And it is, Marvin Gaye played an important contribution to Motown. I think I see why Berry is holding back. Because Marvin was the KING of the label and he MADE that label and he doesn't want that part of the story told. Sick a$$ f*cker. *SMH* F*ck it, he's out of my list of important black people. Marvin made his lazy 4'11 ass rich and since Marvin's dead, he thinks he can do whatever he wants, f*ck that crummy bastard and his money. We know you didn't form Motown Records, you show-off. ((T84)) Breath Soul Brotha LOL ....But yeah, I have wondered before why they call Marvin the Prince and not the King of Motown when he was the biggest solo male artist on the label And another thing I hate about Motown now is all the opportunities they don't take advantage of...they treat us fans like crap
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Post by timmy84 on Feb 9, 2006 20:15:19 GMT -5
:lol: @ Jobete... sorry, I'm just pissed. I mean, for everything Motown had done, they can't get the decency to celebrate its legacy. Why not? Almost NONE of the artists there are doing sh*t. Stevie's album barely went gold despite critical accolades (it's a good album) and India.Arie is another reason why a "Motown" exist today. If this is the way Motown Records, the actual record label, is to go, then I don't want no part of it. Give us OLD MOTOWN and keep it that way. Keep the movement alive and the artists who LED the movement than just artists who "joined the label just to join it". There's a reason why this forum was created to spread the wonderfulness of the legacy of the classic original gems who shined on Detroit's ghettos and rose out to bring to the world great music. We need to always be reminded of our history-making acts, writers, producers, and the like. Berry Gordy sure has forgotten where he's come from. And he's bitter that people are willing to do a story on Marvin Gaye. Hope the movie succeeds and he falls flat on his face as he's been doing lately with the recent problems he's had with no "mini-series" (why?) and that "45th anniversary special", YUCK!
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 10, 2006 13:12:58 GMT -5
I like the way Ray handled things in the movie, I mean, it was more vividly told than Billie's was. And it's unfortunate that Motown can be a great music company but can screw up royally in the movies and they think that not letting them have Marvin's Motown music play that it will destroy the movie, just give it up guys, you guys will say you're planning a Marvin bio but it'll be another 10 years before we hear of it. The way things are going now, I'm glad these guys are finally going along with it and are making the best of what could be a bad decision. And it is, Marvin Gaye played an important contribution to Motown. I think I see why Berry is holding back. Because Marvin was the KING of the label and he MADE that label and he doesn't want that part of the story told. Sick a$$ f*cker. *SMH* F*ck it, he's out of my list of important black people. Marvin made his lazy 4'11 ass rich and since Marvin's dead, he thinks he can do whatever he wants, f*ck that crummy bastard and his money. We know you didn't form Motown Records, you show-off. From my understanding it was Smokey who encouraged Berry to form his own record label. Berry only knew how to write songs he wasn`t what you would call a smart business man.
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 10, 2006 13:14:38 GMT -5
((Fantagurl)) I still can't sit through The Wiz, I would say it was actuallycompla a good movie overall but Diana's acting was the main problem. As well as being too old she just could not act....It's very painful to watch her performance. I think had everything else stayed the same with a different actress as Dorothy we wouldn't complain That`s true. I guess when they didn`t cast Stephanie Mills as Dorothy, I disliked the whole movie.
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Post by timmy84 on Feb 10, 2006 13:23:33 GMT -5
I like the way Ray handled things in the movie, I mean, it was more vividly told than Billie's was. And it's unfortunate that Motown can be a great music company but can screw up royally in the movies and they think that not letting them have Marvin's Motown music play that it will destroy the movie, just give it up guys, you guys will say you're planning a Marvin bio but it'll be another 10 years before we hear of it. The way things are going now, I'm glad these guys are finally going along with it and are making the best of what could be a bad decision. And it is, Marvin Gaye played an important contribution to Motown. I think I see why Berry is holding back. Because Marvin was the KING of the label and he MADE that label and he doesn't want that part of the story told. Sick a$$ f*cker. *SMH* F*ck it, he's out of my list of important black people. Marvin made his lazy 4'11 ass rich and since Marvin's dead, he thinks he can do whatever he wants, f*ck that crummy bastard and his money. We know you didn't form Motown Records, you show-off. From my understanding it was Smokey who encouraged Berry to form his own record label. Berry only knew how to write songs he wasn`t what you would call a smart business man. Yeah I knew that Smoke encouraged him. I just don't understand why he's get all this hoopla, he didn't really do anything except tell people what to do to further him and in the way, he stepped on "little people" to get to what he got, you know?
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Post by Diamond Girl on Feb 10, 2006 17:05:13 GMT -5
From my understanding it was Smokey who encouraged Berry to form his own record label. Berry only knew how to write songs he wasn`t what you would call a smart business man. Yeah I knew that Smoke encouraged him. I just don't understand why he's get all this hoopla, he didn't really do anything except tell people what to do to further him and in the way, he stepped on "little people" to get to what he got, you know? Honestly, I believe Smokey is getting too much credit, for making a suggestion. It wasn't like he had it as a forethought either, it was from losing out on money. Nothing innovative, just reacting. Now if he'd had the forethought; which when you think about it, he should have- there weren't many Black-owned record labels, why not think of that BEFORE not making as much money. Any peebrain would know that. Yet here he comes, after they see how much money the labels were making off of the records, stating the obvious. Just an afterthought. He can receive credit as being there in the beginnings of the magic, co-writing and co-producing tracks (if that), but all of this, he's the man, without him, gahbage........ Please, tell it to someone else; the folks who buy stuff sight unseen.
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Post by timmy84 on Feb 10, 2006 18:17:09 GMT -5
Smokey think he's a genius because of that knowing good damn well there were 100 other people who helped get Motown to what it is and, as I said, Marvin played a huge part of that despite his desire to be a jazz singer. Like I said, I don't understand the hoopla in what Smokey "accomplished". Honestly, I'm having a hard time believing that Smokey was this "genius" that people want us to believe. I hardly think he was producing or writing. I honestly just think he just needs credit for being there because Marvin Gaye had to teach him how to make his own record! As he would say, he "Marvinized" it. Usually the more laid-back artists allowed Smoke to "do what he do" but Marvin was different. He put feeling, gut and emotion into Smokey's tracks just as good as David Ruffin did. In fact, those two were the best singers in the label. Berry & Smokey are two of the most lamest and most overrated dudes in Motown history, period.
If you want me to be honest, Smokey and Berry didn't make Motown what it was... the Funk Brothers did, Marvin Gaye did, Mickey Stevenson did, Holland-Dozier-Holland did, Stevie did, the Temptations did, the Supremes, Vandellas and Marvelettes did, and the rest of the Miracles did.
You're right, Smokey gets TOO MUCH F*CKING CREDIT FOR WHAT HE REALLY DID - absolutely nothing.
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