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Post by fantagurl on Feb 14, 2006 20:56:28 GMT -5
Close ((fantagurl)) her name was Raynoma And what cracked me up ya'll was the fight between Berry and Marvin on the lawn in front of Hitsville...if only I could have seen that one But what all the artists should have considered doing was a minor boycott so that they could get their money....the Hitsville Stable vs Berry. It's not as if he could have kept the company going without the workers Thank you ((Bye Bye Baby)) The artists and musicians should have done what Marvin did when Berry and Motown protested "What`s Going On", threaten not to record,write,or produce unless we receive the money we worked for. And see how far Berry would go without them.
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Post by timmy84 on Feb 14, 2006 23:32:14 GMT -5
If they all did what Marvin did, they would be living in paradise right now. I don't know what was holding most back that didn't hold Marvin back. The brotha came from the Washington, D.C. projects, he had to deal with the streets and had to deal with his father and he was very non-comforming and loved to break rules. Berry didn't know who he was dealing with, sh*t. I bet Eddie Kendricks did the same thing to Berry during that time too.
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 15, 2006 0:18:14 GMT -5
If they all did what Marvin did, they would be living in paradise right now. I don't know what was holding most back that didn't hold Marvin back. The brotha came from the Washington, D.C. projects, he had to deal with the streets and had to deal with his father and he was very non-comforming and loved to break rules. Berry didn't know who he was dealing with, sh*t. I bet Eddie Kendricks did the same thing to Berry during that time too. When I think about it,Marvinwas much older and he was more wise and gained more knowledge at the time he did the "What`s Going On" album. Marvin co-wrote songs even before he became an artist so he definitely had it going on. The other artists may have been afraid of risking what little they had.
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Post by mpgfan on Feb 15, 2006 14:38:01 GMT -5
If they all did what Marvin did, they would be living in paradise right now. I don't know what was holding most back that didn't hold Marvin back. The brotha came from the Washington, D.C. projects, he had to deal with the streets and had to deal with his father and he was very non-comforming and loved to break rules. Berry didn't know who he was dealing with, sh*t. I bet Eddie Kendricks did the same thing to Berry during that time too. Well you have to factor in Marvin being married to Anna Gordy. If Marvin wasn't married to her I doubt Berry would've gone along with the crooner material early on if Marvin wasn't involved with Anna. Hell, I doubt Marvin would've made it past 1965 if he wasn't dating/married to Anna! Berry was very ruthless when it came to his "family" image. As for the topic at hand, I can see why the Temptations felt a bit left out. Berry was ga-ga over Diana Ross, Smokey had autonomy because he basically co-founded Motown and Marvin was married to the boss' sister!
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 15, 2006 18:10:32 GMT -5
If they all did what Marvin did, they would be living in paradise right now. I don't know what was holding most back that didn't hold Marvin back. The brotha came from the Washington, D.C. projects, he had to deal with the streets and had to deal with his father and he was very non-comforming and loved to break rules. Berry didn't know who he was dealing with, sh*t. I bet Eddie Kendricks did the same thing to Berry during that time too. Well you have to factor in Marvin being married to Anna Gordy. If Marvin wasn't married to her I doubt Berry would've gone along with the crooner material early on if Marvin wasn't involved with Anna. Hell, I doubt Marvin would've made it past 1965 if he wasn't dating/married to Anna! Berry was very ruthless when it came to his "family" image. As for the topic at hand, I can see why the Temptations felt a bit left out. Berry was ga-ga over Diana Ross, Smokey had autonomy because he basically co-founded Motown and Marvin was married to the boss' sister! It`s funny you brought up Anna Gordy. Marrying a queen might not make me king, but at least I`d have a shot at being prince. Besides, Anna was into my music more than any woman I`d ever known. She`d beg me to play and sing,and write, and because she had wonderful ears,she appreciated my every move. She knew she wanted me and she got me.(But check this out yall)..... BUT I KNEW WHAT I WANTED; I wanted her to help me CUT into that LONG line in FRONT of the RECORDING STUDIO.(taken from the book,Divided Soul) Marvin had a plan. He got what he wanted and he used Anna to get it. That was a slick and clever plan. And it payed off. Go Head Marvin with Your Badd self. :thumbsup:
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Post by Kay on Feb 15, 2006 18:17:02 GMT -5
Well you have to factor in Marvin being married to Anna Gordy. If Marvin wasn't married to her I doubt Berry would've gone along with the crooner material early on if Marvin wasn't involved with Anna. Hell, I doubt Marvin would've made it past 1965 if he wasn't dating/married to Anna! Berry was very ruthless when it came to his "family" image. As for the topic at hand, I can see why the Temptations felt a bit left out. Berry was ga-ga over Diana Ross, Smokey had autonomy because he basically co-founded Motown and Marvin was married to the boss' sister! It`s funny you brought up Anna Gordy. Marrying a queen might not make me king, but at least I`d have a shot at being prince. Besides, Anna was into my music more than any woman I`d ever known. She`d beg me to play and sing,and write, and because she had wonderful ears,she appreciated my every move. She knew she wanted me and she got me.(But check this out yall)..... BUT I KNEW WHAT I WANTED; I wanted her to help me CUT into that LONG line in FRONT of the RECORDING STUDIO.(taken from the book,Divided Soul) Marvin had a plan. He got what he wanted and he used Anna to get it. That was a slick and clever plan. And it payed off. Go Head Marvin with Your Badd self. Thanks for putting this up ((fantagurl)) That's my baby!! :victory: :victory:
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Post by Emerald City on Feb 15, 2006 19:36:03 GMT -5
((T84)) I think alot of them may have been intimidated. Remember...only they know of certain shady things we don't so my guess is they just didn't want to take certain risks...bless them :awww: ...But Eddie K and Marvin were two of the strongest characters IMO. They just went for what they wanted and didn't let Gordy scare them :thumbsup:
((Fantagurl)) that was a can of worms right there, that book is something else :lol:
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 16, 2006 14:47:59 GMT -5
It`s funny you brought up Anna Gordy. Marrying a queen might not make me king, but at least I`d have a shot at being prince. Besides, Anna was into my music more than any woman I`d ever known. She`d beg me to play and sing,and write, and because she had wonderful ears,she appreciated my every move. She knew she wanted me and she got me.(But check this out yall)..... BUT I KNEW WHAT I WANTED; I wanted her to help me CUT into that LONG line in FRONT of the RECORDING STUDIO.(taken from the book,Divided Soul) Marvin had a plan. He got what he wanted and he used Anna to get it. That was a slick and clever plan. And it payed off. Go Head Marvin with Your Badd self. Thanks for putting this up ((fantagurl)) That's my baby!! Your welcome (((Kay))) Marvin had to do what he had to do!!! :kingtheman:
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Post by fantagurl on Feb 16, 2006 14:51:47 GMT -5
((T84)) I think alot of them may have been intimidated. Remember...only they know of certain shady things we don't so my guess is they just didn't want to take certain risks...bless them ...But Eddie K and Marvin were two of the strongest characters IMO. They just went for what they wanted and didn't let Gordy scare them ((Fantagurl)) that was a can of worms right there, that book is something else That it is!!! ;D Honey Marvin was something else...and I like every bit of it.
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Post by timmy84 on Feb 16, 2006 17:12:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I love how Marvin married the boss' sister and basically gradually became his own man as the years went by, plus he granted plenty of musical knowledge so that by the time Marvin did What's Going On, he was 100% sure of where he wanted to go. Hell, I think after "I Heard It Through the Grapevine", it gave Marvin the freedom to do what he wanted to do. And Anna did help him in that regard. I respect Anna more than I would ever respect Berry in that regard, at least. And yeah, man, Marvin was a trip times 100... that dude was totally street-smart.
But back to the Temptations, I agree, the guys ran their own ship to stardom. I always admired the ingenuities of Eddie and Paul. Those guys made the Temptations what they became dance-wise, spunk-wise, street-wise and clothes-wise plus funky, David and Melvin added a pint of their genius vocally while Otis just laid there and let the good times roll. LOL
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Post by Diamond Girl on Feb 16, 2006 17:32:01 GMT -5
Marvin knows exactly what the hell he was talking about. Berry actually liked to start trouble and then would act like the "peacemaker" when he really instigated most of that shady ish. I know your favorite :haha: artist ((Smokey)) was accused of the same thing. He pretended to be their friends, "brothers" and mentors and ran back with everything to BG. Guess that's how he stayed in the old man's good graces :idunno:
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Post by Diamond Girl on Feb 16, 2006 17:49:33 GMT -5
If they all did what Marvin did, they would be living in paradise right now. I don't know what was holding most back that didn't hold Marvin back. The brotha came from the Washington, D.C. projects, he had to deal with the streets and had to deal with his father and he was very non-comforming and loved to break rules. Berry didn't know who he was dealing with, sh*t. I bet Eddie Kendricks did the same thing to Berry during that time too. I hear what you're saying about taking a stand, but I don't think any of them would be living in paradise. Niether Marvin nor Eddie even got a wiff of "paradise" in their lifetime. Marvin and Stevie finally got to record what they wished, but I can't even call what Stevie has achieved, paradise. It's incredibly wonderful, but I think about what he should have and should have been allowed to do. Same with Marvin, during his lifetime. I think what Marvin had gone through and his position in the "clan" (Gordy) gave him a bit more bravado and apparent fight. A lot of things he'd gone through in his family probably appeared all over for him with the treatment at Motown and he was fed up- they weren't his father and he was no longer a child. I know some of the artists questioned those at the label and tried to fight, but they were silenced, dropped and all kinds of things. Pretty much put it their places- the Contours, Brenda Holloway, Flo, Davis, Paul, Eddie, the Four Tops, Kim Weston, Gladys and the Pips, the Spinners; the list goes could go on forever. Not taking away Marvin's thoroughness, but I'm sure his wife was an advocate for him and ole BG wasn't going to take money out his sister's pocket.
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Post by Diamond Girl on Feb 16, 2006 18:01:59 GMT -5
But back to the Temptations, I agree, the guys ran their own ship to stardom. I always admired the ingenuities of Eddie and Paul. Those guys made the Temptations what they became dance-wise, spunk-wise, street-wise and clothes-wise plus funky, David and Melvin added a pint of their genius vocally while Otis just laid there and let the good times roll. LOL Doggone, I'm really late with my responses, guess I should read fully before responding. But I still say the same thing And yeah, back to the subject at hand, if not for Paul, there would be nothing. He got Eddie into the singing business (according to Eddie) and that is pretty much history as they say. Paul had the vision and he and Eddie put it together and THAT's what appealed to BG I think. He says he worked with them, but I question it and after he saw what they could do with Ronnie, Pete, Bobby, and Smokey's words, he was like they'll be alright- but not in a good way. Maybe it was because they did their own thing and he resented them for it, thus the treatment or lack there of, but then he saw how popular and successful they had become and liked how they were lining his pockets so nicely. He decided to use 'em. I wish he, Smokey and the rest would just be real for once, most of our legends are long gone. These execs should be held accountable and take responsibility for what they did or knew went on at that label
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Post by timmy84 on Feb 16, 2006 19:58:01 GMT -5
If they all did what Marvin did, they would be living in paradise right now. I don't know what was holding most back that didn't hold Marvin back. The brotha came from the Washington, D.C. projects, he had to deal with the streets and had to deal with his father and he was very non-comforming and loved to break rules. Berry didn't know who he was dealing with, sh*t. I bet Eddie Kendricks did the same thing to Berry during that time too. I hear what you're saying about taking a stand, but I don't think any of them would be living in paradise. Niether Marvin nor Eddie even got a wiff of "paradise" in their lifetime. Marvin and Stevie finally got to record what they wished, but I can't even call what Stevie has achieved, paradise. It's incredibly wonderful, but I think about what he should have and should have been allowed to do. Same with Marvin, during his lifetime. I think what Marvin had gone through and his position in the "clan" (Gordy) gave him a bit more bravado and apparent fight. A lot of things he'd gone through in his family probably appeared all over for him with the treatment at Motown and he was fed up- they weren't his father and he was no longer a child. I know some of the artists questioned those at the label and tried to fight, but they were silenced, dropped and all kinds of things. Pretty much put it their places- the Contours, Brenda Holloway, Flo, Davis, Paul, Eddie, the Four Tops, Kim Weston, Gladys and the Pips, the Spinners; the list goes could go on forever. Not taking away Marvin's thoroughness, but I'm sure his wife was an advocate for him and ole BG wasn't going to take money out his sister's pocket. I hear what you're saying. I think Anna encouraged him anyway. She was probably the reason why Berry kept Marvin in the label 'cause goodness knows if he had been signed to the label and had not gotten close to the Gordy women - like his good ole friend, Harvey Fuqua, he would've been dropped by Berry Dumba$$ like the rest of them were. And yeah, as I said about Smokey, he's a Berry Gordy a%%-kisser, man. As for the Tempts, I also think that Berry was ticked that the guys were able to build a following without Motown fully promoting them the first four years they had hits and somewhere around 1968, Berry decided "hey, they're ready for showtime" and all of that, I mean, if you really think about it, compared to the Supremes & the Four Tops, the Temptations were not only slighted by Motown execs, they pretty much were outcasts in Motown. Their success was built from the underground up, you can say. They probably didn't go to charm school (since they had the ettiquette from day 1) and while they learned their choreography from Cholly Atkins, they already had a choreographer in Paul Williams. I think when Paul & Eddie left the group, there was no more Temptations because by the time they left, the Tempts became a "business"/"institution" much like the Supremes became and it's like the magic faded when Eddie & Paul drifted and Paul's early death definitely didn't help matters. But the fact that for most of the early years in Motown between 1961 and 1971, the Temptations had to rely on themselves to become a top performing/recording act and I still feel in a sense that they're still underrated in terms of who people recognize as the people who defined Motown because the Tempts simply define the Motown sound, they actually defined soul music in the '60s and '70s, plus compared to the Tops, they had a more grittier approach to their music despite their teaming up with the Supremes for those joint projects. Also, it confuses me why Paul's death, while ruled a suicide, remains a mystery to those who knew Paul and said he was getting back on his feet, so how could he have killed himself? People say that Motown covered up the truth in that one, no mean to go off topic again but this really freaked me out.
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Post by Emerald City on Feb 16, 2006 20:14:57 GMT -5
So many mysteries and motown myths. One thing you said there about people recognizing them...I think Otis Williams has alot to do with, but I agree with you all.... they were dedictaed enough to make things happen for themselves with or without support, one of the finest examples is probably the amount of R&B #1's they managed to rack up pretty much on their own. As for Paul Williams I will say that almost every group has that one special member to which alot is owed and in the Temptations I believe that was him. His death still has alot folks freaked ((T84)) but all we can do is speculate on what really happened
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